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Official RISM designations
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Verfasst am: 10. 03. 2012 [23:01]
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Sarge Gerbode
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 25.02.2012
Beiträge: 5
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Sorry. I am a total newbie, here. I am trying to find the full RISM designation (library siglum + other info) to identify sources. Let's say I want to find the full designation for Pierre Attaingnant "Tres breve et familière introduction..." (1529). How would I go about finding the library and, within the library, the designation for this book in the library. From the RISM home page, I tried out searching for the title, for Attaingnant, for "tant que vivrai", a piece contained within "Tres breve..." No hits. Any help would be appreciated. [Dieser Beitrag wurde 1mal bearbeitet, zuletzt am 10.03.2012 um 23:03.] |
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Verfasst am: 13. 03. 2012 [15:31]
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Klaus Keil
Dabei seit: 16.07.2010
Beiträge: 54
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Dear Sarge, In the RISM online catalog on our website, you will only find music manuscripts, just a few prints, and even fewer lute tablatures. And this is what you seem to be looking for. There is an online resource based on our volume B/VII and prepared by Christian Meyer, who is an expert on lute tablatures whom you can contact: http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/sommaire.htm In the Index you can find the following entry: Tant que vivray (Claudin de Sermisy), D-Mbs 272, 33; F-Pn Rés. 429, 46; F-Pn Rés. 941, 18 http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/titt.htm The RISM siglum D-Mbs means München, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek; 272 is the shelf number. F-Pn is Paris, Bibliothèque nationale. Besides that, I found a modern edition in the OPAC of D-Mbs: Autor/Hrsg._: Attaingnant, Pierre Autor/Hrsg._: Höger, Anton ¬[Hrsg.] Titel: 12 Duette für Renaissance Lauten Medienart_: Musikdruck Von: Pierre Attaingnant. Hrsg. von Anton Höger Ort: [Lübeck] Verlag: Tree Edition Jahr: 2010 Umfang: 36 S. Fußnote: Lespoir que jay. Le departyr. A desjeuner la belle / anonym. - Ma bouche rit / Duboys. - Du bien que. Cest une dure. Jouyssance vous donneray. Languir. Ung grant plaisir. Tant que vivray / Sermisy. - Nauray je jamais / Jacotin. - Aller my faut / Jannequin. Format: 30 cm Dok.-Typ: m Land: XA-DE The “Tres breve et familière introduction” seems to be a lute method. But I cannot find a source for it. Maybe Christian knows more. I hope this information could help you. Best regards Klaus Keil |
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Verfasst am: 13. 03. 2012 [17:40]
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Sarge Gerbode
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 25.02.2012
Beiträge: 5
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Thank you so much for your detailed reply. It's not so much that I am looking for source facsimiles of lute tablature as that I am looking for the provenance of source facsimiles I already have, mostly from the Lute Society of America microfilm collection, and especially for the official RISM designation for those sources, as I am trying to organize material in a standard and coherent way. I gave "Tres breve et familière introduction" only as one example. It seems that to do a reasonable search of the RISM online database, I may need an account. I am an individual living an inconvenient distance from a major library that would have such an account, unfortunately. Thanks for the steer to Christian Meyer. I will see what help I may glean from him. --Sarge |
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Verfasst am: 19. 03. 2012 [15:01]
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Klaus Keil
Dabei seit: 16.07.2010
Beiträge: 54
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Hi, Sarge, The sources have to be mentioned by library sigla and shelfmark. You can find the library sigla in the database on the website, main page, margine right. You do not need an account for searching in our database. Just enter your search term in the slot on the main page of our website. You can also us http://opac/rism.info There are no restrictions. Best reagrds Klaus Keil |
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Verfasst am: 19. 03. 2012 [17:52]
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Sarge Gerbode
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 25.02.2012
Beiträge: 5
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Library sigla I have. It's the shelf marks that I am having trouble finding. Is there a search I can do, starting from a common name like "The John Sturt Lute Book" (just an example) to find the official RISM shelf mark for that item. javascript:editor.insertSmilie(' ')
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Verfasst am: 20. 03. 2012 [13:17]
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Klaus Keil
Dabei seit: 16.07.2010
Beiträge: 54
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You must take the shelf mark from the library that owns the manuscript or print. It is the same number you need to order the source. Best regards Klaus |
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Verfasst am: 20. 03. 2012 [20:00]
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Sarge Gerbode
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 25.02.2012
Beiträge: 5
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So if I understand correctly, to search for an item, I have to first find the library in which it is located, then use whatever search facility that library may have to find the shelf mark, assuming their search facility is capable of finding something, given a common name like "The John Sturt Lute Book". Also, from what you have said, there is no search facility within RISM that can start with a common name for a document and give me a library and/or shelf mark. In other words, it seems I cannot use the RISM search facility to find the official RISM designation of a document. If I already know the official RISM designation (library and shelf mark), then I can consult the RISM list of sigla to find the library in question and, if I choose, order the item from that library. Is that correct? |
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Verfasst am: 03. 04. 2012 [15:53]
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Klaus Keil
Dabei seit: 16.07.2010
Beiträge: 54
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Sorry for not having answered sooner. It is a bit difficult: We have 2 databases: Music manuscripts after 1600 is the internet database we offer free of charge. In it you have RISM call numbers at the end of each record. But you will not find a lot of lute sources in it. The second database contains records of individual prints before 1800. It has been released end of last year with Bärenreiter Verlag. There you have RISM A/I numbers like [M6462. This Database contains no lute sources. Then we have two volumes of printed collections, but just the first one has call numbers (like 1556/17). In all other volumes there are no call numbers. Instead you must to help with Library sigla and shelf number. Library siglas can be found in our sigla database. For the shelf number you have to ask the library, which is holding the source in its stock. |
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Verfasst am: 03. 04. 2012 [17:40]
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Sarge Gerbode
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 25.02.2012
Beiträge: 5
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OK. for printed material before 1600 I have Howard Mayer Brown's book, which is as complete as I need it to be. For English lute MSS, I have Julia Craig McFeely's PhD Thesis, and that is also pretty complete. I guess I will have to wing it on the continental sources. Thanks for your replies! --Sarge |
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