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Vojtech/Adelbert Nudera or Jean Nudera
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Verfasst am: 22. 06. 2011 [20:21]
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Cornelis Vanistendael
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 22.06.2011
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I'am currently researching an archive in Aalst (Belgium) where I encounter a certain Jean Nudera. Jean Nudera is probably related to Adalbert/Vojtech, but I'am not sure about that. He is not in any encyclopedia of my knowledge. On the other hand I know him for sure to be the composer/arranger of at least 30 contredanses and a series of Steyerische which he sells to a concert organisation in Aalst around 1806. He most probably travelled extensively because he is known to come to Belgium via the regiment of Clairfayt around 1783. In RISM Vojtech Nudera is said to be the composer of RISM ID no. 456006856. But the signature is only Nudera. Knowing that there are at least 2 Nudera's composing dance music at that time and that Vojtech is the only one mentioned in encyclopedia's, I wonder if this particular collection residing in the Katholische Pfarrei, Kleineibstadt in Austria isn't from the guy I'am looking for. I suppose only comparing the handwriting would provide a certain evidence (attachment) Is there any way in which I'am able to obtain a copy of the signature mentioned in RISM? Cor  |
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Verfasst am: 24. 06. 2011 [13:52]
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Klaus Keil
Dabei seit: 16.07.2010
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Hi, Cor, I have two articles attached for you: Dlabazc and a Cech-Lexikon. Moreover there is an article mentioned in WEBIS, which I attache too. RISM has two further records: 500239757 and 301000469. The Katholische Pfarrei, Kleineibstadt is in Germany, and their music collection in Dom-Archiv, Würzburg. RISM has a collaborator there and I will ask him to compare the writing. But it is not clear whether the source is an autograph or just a copy.   |
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Verfasst am: 25. 06. 2011 [12:28]
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Cornelis Vanistendael
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Dabei seit: 22.06.2011
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Dear Klaus, Thanks for the help, but the two sources you mention, I checked myself before and are, I'am afraid, not about the Jan Nudera I'am finding here in Aalst and Ghent. - Dlabacz is supposingly mentioning Adalbert/Vojtech. He was indeed working at the Vysehrad church at the moment Jan was here in Belgium. - The WEBIS - Jan Nudera from Poland is probably not the same person (a pdf of the original source WEBIS quotes, is available from google books). It is the only time another Nudera from the same period is mentioned in any online resource at my disposal for so far I know. This is exeptional enough. I even went so far supposing that Nudera is a misspelling of Neruda, a quite common Cech name, but I left that track because of no results. For the Nudera's in RISM: if the local collobarotor could check the handwriting, it would be of great help! Thanks again, Cor |
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Verfasst am: 05. 07. 2011 [09:48]
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Klaus Keil
Dabei seit: 16.07.2010
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Dear Cor, I have an answer from Dieter Kirsch, the collaborator in Würzburg: He writes (I translate into English): "There is shurely no connection to Jean Nudera, even if the name - for what reasons ever - is on the cover. The title page is written by Michael Dietz, who has dated with "1808". The content is taken from the "Zauberzither" by Peter von Winter." Attached two copies of the source. Best wishes Klaus   |
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Verfasst am: 05. 07. 2011 [11:37]
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Cornelis Vanistendael
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 22.06.2011
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Dear Klaus (and Dieter) Thanks for the help. There is however a link to 'a certain Nudera' whether it be Jan or Vojtech, which we will probably not know any soon. The link is the arrangement made by Nudera of opera-tunes for dancing. This was common practice at the start of the 19the century. It was a way to differentiate the use of the same music for different types op public (today we would call this practice under the line or above the line product placement in marketing speak). You commonly find rearrangement of opera music reworked for flageolet or piano forte in the same period. A practice that will continue to flourish until today (film music and jazz played a very similar trick in the '30ies) This German Dances (Balli Tedeschi) or Deutsche where to develop side by side with the Walz as this last dance wasn't a true 'classic' in the ballrooms before ca 1815. Different subsets of forms co-existed all along the way and where commonly called 'Deutsche'. As both Nudera's have been credited for arranging music for dancing, the affair becomes the more complicated. Kind regards, Cor Vanistendael Kind regards, Cor Vanistendael |
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Verfasst am: 21. 07. 2011 [15:08]
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Cornelis Vanistendael
Themenersteller
Dabei seit: 22.06.2011
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Dear Dieter & Klaus, Is it possible to publish the photo of the manuscript in an article I am preparing? And if so:what references do I need to use? Kind regards, Cor Vanistendael |
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